Make Your Own Phyllo Dough & Baklava…Traditional & Less So: June 2011 Daring Bakers Challenge

I loved the Daring Baker’s Challenge this month. I loved it because there is no way in hell I would ever consider making my own phyllo dough…except if someone dared me.

I mean you can buy perfectly good phyllo dough in any supermarket, right? But then I started to think, what if there is a qualitative difference between homemade and the thinner-than-paper dough available in the frozen aisle. Most homemade things are better, why should phyllo dough be any different? Plus they dared me…

So off I went. I enlisted the help of my friends Lita and Patti in this challenge, and I would recommend making phyllo dough as a team sport. Like so many things, it is more fun with a friend.

How was it? Let me cut to the chase, homemade phyllo dough is pretty easy and tastes great! I may never buy the the frozen stuff again. In fact, it was so easy, I made it twice.

For my first batch of dough, I made a very traditional baklava with layers of nuts and phyllo soaked in a sweet orange-scented honey syrup. The result was a sticky sweet candy-like dessert that was a big hit with just about everybody, adults and children alike. A hit with everyone, in fact, but me. I found it to be too sweet…if you can imagine that. I also wanted it to be crispier.

So for round two, I mixed it up a bit. I thought about rugelach and strudel and how the baklava had similar qualities to both. And then I offered a piece of traditional baklava to my friend Patti and she said “If it isn’t chocolate, I’m not interested”. Hmmmm. Chocolate and nuts are good. Then I thought, chocolate, nuts and dried cherries are even better and chocolate cherry baklava was born. I added less syrup, sprinkled kosher salt on top and created something really special.

PHYLLO DOUGH
Recipe from Kaffeehaus – Exquisite Desserts from the Classic Cafés of Vienna, Budapest and Prague” by Rick Rodgers

  • 2 2/3 cups (270 g/13 oz) unbleached all purpose flour
  • 1/4 teaspoon (1 1/2 g) table salt
  • 1 cup less 2 tablespoons water (210 ml), plus more if needed
  • 4 tablespoons vegetable oil (60 ml), plus additional for coating the dough
  • 1 teaspoon (5 ml) cider vinegar

In the bowl of your stand mixer combine flour and salt. Mix with paddle attachment. Combine water, oil and vinegar in a pyrex measuring cup. Add water & oil mixture with mixer on low speed, mix until you get a soft dough, if it appears dry add a little more water (I didn’t have to).

This is the texture you are looking for, sticks together.

Change to the dough hook and knead approximately 10 minutes. You will end up with beautiful smooth dough. If you are kneading by hand, knead approximately 20 minutes.

Remove the dough from mixer and continue to knead for 2 more minutes. Pick up the dough and through it down hard on the counter a few times during the kneading process. My daughter liked this part in particular. Shape the dough into a ball and lightly cover with oil.

Wrap the oiled dough ball tightly in plastic wrap and let rest for 90 minutes-to-2 hours (I let mine rest 90 minutes the first batch and 2 hours the second).

ROLLING YOUR PHYLLO

NOTE: Remove all rings and jewelry. Jewelry may snag the dough. This is important.

Use whatever means you have to get the dough as thin as you can. I had the most success with a french rolling pin, but this video shows a lady rolling out the dough very efficiently with a thin wooden dowel.

Unwrap your dough and cut off a chunk slightly larger then a golf ball. The weird pink hand is there for size reference.

NOTE: While you are rolling be sure to keep the other dough covered with plastic wrap to stay moist.

Be sure to flour your hands, rolling pin and counter. As you roll you will need to keep adding flour, don’t worry, apparently you can’t over-flour.

Roll out the dough a bit to flatten it out. Wrap the dough around your rolling pin/dowel. Roll back and forth quickly with the dough remaining on the dowel (see attached video for a visual, its much easier then it sounds). Alternatively, you can roll it in a more traditional manner. I found that it started to stick a little to the counter sometimes and that was a good thing because then the rolling pin stretched the dough even thinner.

Rotate and repeat until it is translucent. Don’t worry if the dough rips, as long as you have one perfect one for the top you will never notice. When you get it as thin as you can with the rolling pin, carefully pick it up with well-floured hands and stretch it on the backs of your hands as you would a pizza dough, this just helps make it that much thinner. Thank you Lita for being my hand model!

NOTE: It will never be as thin as the frozen phyllo dough you purchase at the store.

Set aside the layers of phyllo on a well-floured surface. Repeat the process until your dough is used up. Flour well between each finished sheet. You do not need to cover your dough with a wet cloth, as you do with boxed dough, it is moist enough that it will not dry out.

Dough can be made a head of time and frozen. Just remove from freezer and allow to thaw.

And now to the Baklava. Are you still with me?

For both types of baklava, you are going to need a syrup.

HONEY SYRUP for BAKLAVA

  • 1 1/4 cups (300 ml) honey
  • 1 1/4 cups (300ml) water
  • 1 1/4 cups (300 ml) (280 gm/10 oz) sugar
  • 1 cinnamon stick
  • 1 (2-inch/50 mm) piece fresh orange peel
  • a pinch or ground clove

Combine all ingredients in a medium pot over medium high heat. Stir occasionally until sugar has dissolved. Boil for 10 minutes, stir occasionally.

Once boiled for 10 minutes remove from heat and strain cinnamon stick and orange peel, allow to cool as baklava cooks.

ROUND ONE

Orange-Scented Walnut, Almond and Pistachio Baklava

  • 2 teaspoons (8 gm) ground cinnamon
  • 1/4 teaspoon allspice
  • 3/4 cup (170 gm/6 oz) blanched almonds
  • 3/4 cup (155 gm/5 oz) toasted walnuts
  • 3/4 cup (140 gm/5 oz) toasted pistachios
  • 2/3 cup (150 gm/ 5 1/3 oz) sugar
  • phyllo dough (see recipe above)
  • 1 cup (2 sticks) (225g/8 oz) melted butter
  • 2/3 recipe honey syrup (see recipe above)

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

Combine nuts, sugar and spices in a food processor and pulse on high until finely chopped. If you do not have a food processor chop with a sharp knife as fine as you can (but seriously, use a food processor). Set aside.

Trim your phyllo sheets to fit in your 9 X 9 baking pan

Brush bottom of pan with butter and place first phyllo sheet. Brush the first phyllo sheet with melted butter and repeat approximately 5 times ending with butter. (Most recipes say more, but homemade phyllo is thicker so it’s not needed).

It doesn’t look perfect, but that doesn’t matter. Sprinkle 1/3 of the nut mixture on the buttered phyllo.

Continue layering phyllo and buttering, repeating 4 times. Sprinkle 1/3 of the nut mixture on top of that layer. Continue layering phyllo and buttering repeating 4 times. Sprinkle on the rest of the nut mixture.

Continue layering and buttering phyllo 5 more times. On the top layer, make sure you have a piece of phyllo with no holes if possible, just looks better.

With a sharp knife cut your baklava in desired shapes and number of pieces. I cut 18 triangles and the pieces were too big. Next time I would cut each triangle in half again. If you can’t cut all the ways through don’t worry you will cut again later. Then brush with a generous layer of butter making sure to cover every area and edge.

Bake for approximately 30 minutes; remove from oven and cut again this time all the way through. Continue baking for another 30 minutes. (Oven temperatures will vary, you are looking for the top to be a golden brown, watch closely as yours may need more or less time in the oven).

When baklava is cooked remove from oven and, while still hot, pour approximately 2/3 of the cooled (will still be warmish) syrup evenly over the top, taking care to cover all surfaces when pouring. It looks like it is a lot. However, you are about to let it sit overnight and, by the next morning, all the syrup will be absorbed.

Serve at room temperature.

Freezing/Storage Instructions/Tips: There are a few ways to store your baklava. One way is to store your baklava at room temperature in an airtight container. Stored at room temperature your baklava will last for up to 2 weeks. You will notice as the days pass it will get a little juicier and chewier. You may choose to store it in the fridge. This will make it a little harder and chewy, but does increase the shelf life. You can also freeze your baklava and then just set it out at room temperature to thaw.

ROUND TWO (my personal favorite)

Chocolate Cherry Baklava Rolls

  • 1 teaspoon (4 gm) ground cinnamon
  • 1/8 teaspoon allspice
  • 1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons (85 gm/3 oz) blanched almonds
  • 1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons (77 gm/2.5 oz) toasted walnuts
  • 1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons (70 gm/2.5 oz) toasted pistachios
  • 1/3 cup (75 gm) sugar
  • one recipe phyllo dough (see recipe above)
  • 3/4 cup (1 1/2 sticks) (169g/6 oz) melted butter
  • 1/3 recipe honey syrup (see recipe above)
  • 1 cup dry sour cherries, chopped
  • 1 1/2 cups semi-sweet chocolate chips, chopped (food processor works well)
  • kosher salt for sprinkling

This recipe is similar and very different at the same time. Place a piece of parchment paper on your counter and cover with a layer of phyllo. Brush with melted butter and then sprinkle with 1/3 of the nut mixture.

Cover with a single layer of phyllo, butter that dough and then sprinkle 1/3 of the cherries and chopped chocolate.

Repeat two more times. Layer of phyllo, butter, nuts, phyllo, chopped chocolate and cherries, phyllo, butter, nuts, phyllo, chocolate and cherries. See how easy that was.

Using the parchment to help. Roll all this deliciousness into a log. Again, it doesn’t have to be perfect. Thank you Patti for adding a little ham to the dessert. ;)

Slice into pieces and place in baking dish. Butter top of the baklava and sprinkle with kosher salt.

Bake at 350 degrees F for 50 minutes or until crispy and golden brown on top. Douse the finished baklava with about 1/3 of the honey syrup. Let the baklava rest until the syrup in absorbed, at least one hour.

This baklava was easier to make, had a more complex taste and was generally crispier so I liked it better than the more traditional version.

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26 Comments

  1. Phenomenal tutorial on baklava! Nicely done!! What a great challenge for DB.

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    • after reading your recipe , baklava seems to me so easy thing!! thanks for boosting confidence

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  2. Excellent tutorial, though I don’t plan on making phyllo dough any time soon. I’m not a fan of baklava — too sweet, but I love rugelach. Your chocolate version sounds better to me.

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  3. Wow I am intimidated to make my own phyllo dough. But yours came out so beautiful!

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  4. Making your own great phyllo. Wow. No mention of the savoury uses of the leaves. Chicken or shrimp with mediterranean flavors. tyropita! (cheese pie). truly versatile. My friend Nuran made it stretched over the kitchen table. You could almost see through it. A good memory. Karen

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  5. That is amazing! And you made the phyllo too :)
    I didn’t have time for this challenge (i.e. I chickened out at the thought of phyllo-making…).

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  6. Thanks so much for the tutorial, I’ve always wanted to try making my own phyllo but I have a little fear of dough. This looks excellent though!

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  7. You are God sent. I have hunted through the net for a perfect phyllo dough recipe. I definitely will be making my own phyllo dough from now on. Thanks for sharing your recipe.

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  8. love Greek food and my sister adores Baklava, I’m going to dazzle her with your recipe. Thank you!

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      • Sorry I don’t believe this to be true. It is thought that baklava was first invented by the Assyrians, discovered by the Greeks through sea trade where they perfected the technique of making phyllo dough and was further modified my the Ottomans by adding spices.

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  9. hi, as an American living in Turkey and married to a Turk, I have to say this is very similar to how we make it here in Turkey. There are a couple of variants. I have lived all over the Middle East as well and still, you have a very good dough recipe. We in Turkey use yogurt in the dough and we use a dowel, The dowels are in abundance here, and used for all types of dough. Thanks for your post! Bon Appetit, no matter what variant Baklava Recipe you use!

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    • Thanks for the feedback. I’m going to be in Turkey later this year for the first time in nearly 11 years and I can’t wait to sample all the local delicacies including Baklava! Best, Heather

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  10. Brilliant! I find the super-thin phyllo you buy at the store to be a litte too difficult to work with. I’m definitely going to try making my own dough – it looks both easier to work with and more delicious ;) Thanks for this tutorial! :)

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  11. Thanks for this beautifully detailed blog!! It helped me so much:) It turned out brilliant!!!!!

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  12. You are making the phyllo more complicated that it is. I have always made my own, learned from my Albanian grandmother and have since modified it to make it even easier. Use a food processor, don’t let the dough sit, work with it right away. Cut the dough in half with a knife and then into small pieces to create small balls (for a tiropita, use 13 for the top, 7 for the bottom or for baklava, make 10 for each sheet), throw a bit of flour down and use a thick dowel or no-handled rolling pin. Flatten each ball to about 4″ in diameter, set the first aside and brush with butter. Flatten the next, put on top of the first, brush with butter. Continue this way, leaving the top without butter. Do this for both large balls of dough. Once you have the two stacks, set one aside. Throw more flour down. Pinch the edges of the stack and flatten out as large as your tepsee (big deep dish pizza pan) or quadruple the size of your 8×8 baklava pan. For baklava, you’ll cut this sheet into 4 for both, put aside (you can stack them loosely) and repeat with the other buttered stack. These constitute your 8 layers for your baklava. When they cook, the layers separate out. You end up using less butter this way and it tastes really good.

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    • Thanks for the inside scoop straight from your Albanian grandmother. Can’t get more authentic than that. Next time, I’ll try it this way.
      Best, Heather

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    • I have used this technique, (learned from my Irish mother who learned from her Albanian mother-in-law) to make leek pie or spinach pie, but never thought of using anything but store-bought phyllo for baklava. I probably will try the one-sheet at a time method, just to say I’ve done it, but I know how delicious the mix-roll-butter-chill-roll-cut technique is, and it will probably be my method from now on!

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      • The “chill” I referred to is that I refrigerate the buttered stacks wrapped in plastic for about 30 minutes. Makes it easier to roll the big sheets from each stack.

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  13. thank you for your recipies, i tried this and its yummy, maybe its not tasty like your or like karakoy guluguy baklava, but i love it, really love it

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  14. A very authentic recipe! I’ve been wanting to make my Turkish mother-in-law’s baklava, but the only ‘recipe’ I can get from her is ‘mix a handful of flour with about this much water…’ I need measurements! Your phyllo recipe looks just like hers.

    As far as homemade vs. store bought phyllo, I think it makes a world of difference. Store bought always turns out flaky and crispy. The homemade variety, when baked, is softer and doughy. It’s up to the person, but I much prefer homemade! Thank you so much.. I will be trying this!

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  15. Thanks for posting this! Today will be my first time making baklava, though, I have seen my mother make it many times. We don’t like it too sweet either. My mom doesn’t use honey at all.. .rather only about 1/3 of the sugar to water. THIS WILL MAKE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE! (also, she doesn’t use orange peel or cinnamon – still DELICIOUS without.)

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  16. This is literally the best dough recipe ever! I used a recipe a few days ago and my pastry didnt turn out, but I used your recipe today and it turned out perfectly!!! I even halved it and it still worked beautifully! I can’t express my gratitude..thank you so much! I used it to make spanakopita, tomorrow I’ll try baklava

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  17. Thanks a lot, really helpful.

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